Thursday, June 05, 2008

John Philip Brock of Germany & Hanover County, Virginia

Many records of Hanover County, Virginia were destroyed by fire during the Civil War. Therefore wills are difficult to locate for the time period before 1865. I did find a copy of John P. Brock's will amongst the papers of his grandson, Robert Alonzo Brock. Robert was Secretary of the Virginia Historical Society and amassed the largest personal collection of Virginia-related documents know to exist. After Robert's death, the papers were auctioned off and purchased by the Huntington Library in California. I found a photocopy of John P. Brock's will on file at the Library of Virginia. However, further reproductions were restricted since Huntington owns the rights.

John's will states that he was a resident of Hanover County and was "at present in my usual health and [of] perfect mind and memory." He asked that his body be decently buried and that all of his just debts be paid. John then made a provision for his three under-age sons named Philip Stafford, William and Ro. King Brock, at his own death or at the time they turned twenty-one, should each be paid $20 to be equal with his other children. If John died before any of his children were twenty-one, he order that all livestock, household and kitchen furniture be sold for their upkeep and all of the slaves [should be rented out]. After all of the children reached twenty-one, all of the land and slaves were to be sold and the money split amongst his children, namely his sons Jno. C., Henry, Philip Stafford, William and Ro. King Brock and his daughters Nancy Gilman and Catharine Willis. Jno. C. and Henry Brock were left in charge of their sister's inheritances. They were instructed that if a daughter died without heir, the money reverted to the other children. Their husbands, M. Gilman and Jessee Willis, were to have no control or access to the Brock girl's inheritances. As a special bequest, Catharine Willis was to receive a slave girl named Eliza as part of her inheritance. John named his sons Jno. C. and Henry Brock as his executors. The will was signed and dated January 23, 1817 and bore the signature of "John P. Brock." Susannah, Susannah S. and Peter W. Littlepage were John's witnesses. The will was probated on November 26, 1823 in Hanover County. Jno C. and Henry Brock were named executors with Susannah Littlepage and Susannah S. Durham (nee Littlepage) giving their oaths.

John's estate in Hanover County was known as "Brock Spring" and still exists to date on Old Telegraph Road. There is a family cemetery, with rights retained by the family. I have not been to the site but it supposedly has graves for Rose Arlington Brock Tomlinson, Asbury Watson Brock, Martha Ann Carter Brock, Edward Watson Brock, William Synton Brock, John Christian Brock, Lucy G. Wingfield Brock, Wesley M. Brock, Jane Eliza Tinsley Brock, John P. Brock, John Philip Brock and Elizabeth King Brock. Most of the graves are unmarked.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Kevin
good morning
In the past you have told me that John was from Germany and you once told me you could prove how you knew that.
I do remember my Dad saying that his grandfather ( who lived with my Dad's parents in the end) spoke German.
Greg

Kevin Lett said...

There are a few places I have seen it stated. Robert Alonzo Brock, the guy from the Virginia Historical Society, edited a book called "Virginia and Virginians". There is a biography for him in the second volume and, if my memory serves me, it states that he was the son of Robert King Brock and grandson of John Philip and Elizabeth King Brock, John being a Hessian soldier.

I also have somewhere an interview from Robert Alonzo's daughter that talks about John Philip being a Hessian soldier. I think it even mentions that he was a paid mercenary soldier of the British. After they lost the war, they left him over here and did not take him back with him.

I have also found a death certificate for one of Henry Brock's daughters that stated Henry was born in Germany. I think the person giving the info was misinformed. Her grandfather was from Germany, not her father, but at least it gives some credibility to the German ancestry.

There is another place but I cannot recall right off the top of my head. We really need to get a true Brock male to do a DNA test and prove it once and for all. I have a Brock male that will do it, I have just never coughed up the $100 to get it done.

Anonymous said...

I saw your post about Philip R. Brock possibly being a German Hessian. My grandfather told me the same story about our Brock ancestor. I wonder if there could a connection.

Do you think you can get the Brock you mention in the post to participate in the Brock DNA project? (see link)
(http://www.brockancestry.com/dna/results.htm

We are looking for a decendent of Dr. R.A. Brock, or any other male Brocks from VA or NC.


J.B. Brock

Kevin Lett said...

I have a Brock male, of the same line as Dr. Robert Alonzo Brock, that I can get to take the test. The problem is the fee. They are not interested enough to pay for it.

Anonymous said...

Well, I know they (Brock Project) offer dicounts and may donate money for certain Brock lines. I know they are interested in this R.A. Brock line. Would the Brock male be interested if the fee is discounted?

J.B. Brock

Kevin Lett said...

The guy has no interest so he would not pay anything. I would be willing to pay maybe $25. If there was anyone else willing to put up some of the money, I could get the test done. I feel like we are passing the collection plate at church.

Anonymous said...

Well, the Brock DNA project Adminstrator sent out a request for contributions. I might be able to contribute as well.


Are there any other VA or NC Brocks you know that might also participate?

Kevin Lett said...

I have asked a cousin who is interested in genealogy if he would contribute. I think he might but I am waiting on an answer.

I will see the Brock male in question on August 2 so it would be great to get the issue resolved by that time.

I do not know of any other Brock lines that would be available for testing.

If someone from the project wanted to write a summary of what you are doing, and the scope of the project, I would be glad to post it on the blog and give you some exposure. I get thousands of visitors per month so it might help you guys out in finding some different Brocks.

Kevin

Kevin Lett said...

Okay, I have a cousin that is will to chip in $25 but only if we get the 37 marker test. That is $50 so far. Let me know what you come up with.

Kevin

Anonymous said...

The Brock DNA Project

The purpose of the Brock DNA project is to determine the existence of common ancestors among the various Brock Surname lines(and variants such as Brack or Brocke), along with their ethnic and geographic origins.

Participants take the Y-DNA test and must be males carrying the Brock surname because the Y-Chromosome is only found in males and is passed from father to son. The Y DNA remains nearly unchanged through the generations. Thus, a male Brock of today will carry an almost exact match of the Y-Chromosome his great-grandfather from many generations back carried. Participants genetic markers are compared to determine if they share a common ancestor.

A single test allows you to verify:

(1) If 2 males share a common ancestor

(2) Ones suggested geographic origins

(3) If you are of Native American ancestry through your ancient ancestor

(4)Your deep ancestral ethnic origins

The results are posted on the Brock DNA Project Results Page and are grouped by their Haplogroups.

Matches allow the comparison of participant lineages in hopes to determining a common ancestor.

Members receive a reduced group discount and may choose either the 12-Marker, 25-Marker, 37-Marker or higher test. The decision on which test to take depends on your budget considerations. Project adminstrators recommend the 25 marker test becasue matches made at the 12 marker level can be lost on the Y-DNA 25 or higher test. Exact 12 marker matches are common. Therefore, the 25 and higher marker tests result in more conclusive data when determining a genetic connections/common ancestors.

For more information on how to join the project or for pricing go to the following link:

www.brockancestry.com/dna.htm

Anonymous said...

The 25 marker is cheaper than the 37 and is a good start. Maybe your cousin would reconsider the 25 marker test.

The project administrator stated there were contribution funds but not for that specific Brock line. But we can start a contribution fund that would only be for the R.A Brock line. See link

http://www.brockancestry.com/dna/contribution.htm

I may be able to contribute some - I'm trying to confirm my Brock ancestory. My oldest known Brock ansector was born in Bedford County Va in 1765. Married in Campbell County 1795.

Kevin Lett said...

J. B.,

Send me an e-mail at info@virginiafamilytree.com I need to tell you something off the site.

Kevin

James Doran said...

John Philip Brock was a decendant of Moise Broc who was one of the settlers of manakintowne, He was a French Hugueunot. Not German, save your money. Kevin contact me I have been researching the Brock's of Virginia and Ireland for Twenty years, Will share all.

Jim Doran

Kevin Lett said...

Well, let's start of by discussing the parents of John Philip Brock. I would like to know who they are and how you came to that conclusion. Thanks, Kevin

James Doran said...

Kevin I am stuck at that same point, with the exeption that I have proven by R.A. works on the Manakintowne documents at www.manakin.add.com/brock1.htm

Check all of Robert Alonazo Brocks works. There is a Book of the Broc/ Brock family around somewhere that a Betty white has, but still can;t find her. Part of the Broc family from France went to Ireland and the rest went on the ship Anthony Peter from England to the James River settlement in 1702/3

Anonymous said...

Kevin,

Did James provide anymore info on the Broc family? I know R. A. wrote about the French Hugueunots, but I dont know that it means his ancestors were French Hugueunots.

Kevin Lett said...

No, I never received any info and I have not looked for it myself yet.

kcantwell said...

Need help with Brock ancestry:

Looking for lineage of Lydia Brock born around 1804 in TN, died 1878 in Missouri, married to William Jackson.
I believe her line is Lydia Brock Jackson, John Brock, John Brock, Joseph Brock, Joseph Brock.
Any direction you can give me would be appreciated.

Kim